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  • When a True Name is written in the books, it's done in italics. Every time Kvothe calls the Name of the Wind in the series, we see "Aerlevsedi". This is a Name we know he knows for certain, so we'll start there. From NotW, ch 84:


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    He looked at me. His dark eyes steadied me somewhat. Slowed the storm inside me. “Aerlevsedi,” he said. “Say it.” 
    “What?” Simmon said somewhere in the distant background. “Wind?”
    Aerlevsedi,” Elodin repeated patiently, his dark eyes intent upon my face. 
    Aerlevsedi,” I said numbly.
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    Kvothe knows the Name of Wind, so we see Aerlevsedbut Simmon doesn't - so he only gets "Wind" (no italics). For comparison, when Elxa Dal tells Kvothe he knows the Name of Fire - something Kvothe can't conceive of understanding, as he ends up going into the chemical properties of what makes up fire with Dal when trying to understand how he can know the name of Fire - we instead see this (WMF, ch 22):

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    Dal hesitated for a moment, then smiled. He looked intently into the brazier between us, closed his eyes, then gestured to the unlit brazier across the room. “Fire.” He spoke the word like a commandment and the distant brazier roared up in a pillar of flame. 
    “Fire?” I said, puzzled. “That’s it? The name of fire is ‘fire’?”
    Elxa Dal smiled and shook his head. “That’s not what I actually said. Some part of you just filled in a familiar word.” 
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    Note the lack of italics here. PR tells us, through Dal's conversation with Kvothe, that if it's a Name we don't know, a familiar word is filled in instead. Remember the previous quote. Kvothe said the Name of Wind, and although didn't yet understand it, we still saw Aerlevsedi. Fire, on the other hand, is a name he doesn't know, so we only see Fire - no italics. 


    Kvothe is the one telling this story, as Kote. So what we know, he knows. Chronicler is likely writing "Wind" and "Stone" and "Fire" as he writes it down, since that's what he'd hear - but Kote is the one telling it. Kote knows the Names, so that is why we see them when we read the story. It is "an accurate, truthful account" of Kvothe's life, and so Kote is going to use the real Names. 

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    Chronicler’s face was calm as he pressed the metal disk firmly onto the table with two fingers. 
    “Iron,” he said. His voice sounding with strange resonance, as if it were an order to be obeyed. 
    Bast doubled over as if punched in the stomach...
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    Kote/Kvothe doesn't know the Name of Iron. And, as the frame story is happening in "real time", all we see is "Iron" - no italics. This is confirming, yet again, that if Kvothe does not know a Name, we only see what the mind fills in as an appropriate substitue. 


    In understanding all of this, we can use the presence of italics in the books to determine all the Names Kvothe has learned through D3 that have come up in the story so far. In WMF, chapters 83, 93 and 151, Kvothe knows the Name of Roah (explanation below) wood.

    In ch 83 of WMF:

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    So Taborlin went over to the chest, but it was locked. Then Scyphus laughed and so did a few of the guards. 
    “That made Taborlin angry. And before any of them could do anything he struck the top of the chest with his hand and shouted, ‘Edro!’ The chest sprung open and he grabbed his cloak of no particular color, wrapping it around himself.
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    The above quote is when Marten is telling the story around the campfire - but don't forget that it's a story within a story. Kote is relaying the telling of this story to Chronicler, and he knows the Name of the wood used for these chests, so we see edro. In ch 93 of WMF, we have: 

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    I thought back to the story Marten had told days before. “Of course,” I laughed, then shouted, “Edro!” in my best Taborlin the Great voice and struck the top of the box with my hand. 
    The lid sprung open.
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    In this case, it can be simply an example of Dedan and Hespe fiddling with the lock and that's why it opened. However, the chest can also be made of Roah (or a similar composition hardwood) since it is described as "a heavy hardwood box". It doesn't matter whether or not he used Naming to open the Maer's money chest - what does matter is that Kvothe used the Name of the wood when telling the story to Chronicler. It confirms, again, that he knows this Name.


    In WMF, ch 151:

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    After replacing the keys in their box, he put his hands back on the sides of the lid in the same position as before. “Open,” he said under his breath. “Open, damn you. Edro.” 
    He lifted, his back and shoulders tensing with the effort of it.
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    I say that the Name of the wood he knows is Roah is because his chest in the Waystone is Roah wood. (It might simply be the name of Wood that he knows.) While he may no longer have the power to command it as Kote, he still remembers the Name from when he was Kvothe. Remember back to Marten's story about Taborlin the Great. Kvothe doesn't know the name of the stone used to build walls (we'll say Cement, for argument's sake), nor the name of the wood the doors were made of (again, for ease of understanding, we'll guess it's Oak - or maybe the original story used the Name of Fire, another that Kvothe doesn't know) because when he tells the story of Marten telling this story to Chronicler, we only see "burn" and "break" - yet we still see Edro for opening the chest Scyphus has Taborlin's tools in:

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    But Taborlin the Great knew the names of all things, so all things were his to command. He said to the stone: ‘break!’ and the stone broke. The wall tore like a piece of paper, and through that hole Taborlin could see the sky and breathe the sweet spring air. 
    “Taborlin made his way out of the caves, into the castle, and finally to the doors of the royal hall itself. The doors were barred against him, so he said, ‘burn!’ and they burst into flame and were soon nothing more than fine grey ash.
    [...]
    ...he struck the top of the chest with his hand and shouted, ‘Edro!’ The chest sprung open...
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    The only italicized Name in the above quote is the one for the wood the chest is made of. It confirms that Kvothe does not know either the name of the wood used for the doors (or, from talking with Elxa Dal, that Kvothe does not know the Name of Fire), nor the name of the type of stone (likely cement of some fashion) that walls are made of.

    However, in NotW, ch 26, Kvothe knows the Names of Stone, (the natural element, not the man-made one used for walls), Air (different than Wind), and that of Selitos himself:

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    Silanxi, I bind you. By the name of stone, be still as stone. Aeruh, I command the air. Lay leaden on your tongue. Selitos, I name you. May all your powers fail you but your sight.” 
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    It is not impossible that Kvothe can know the Names of people. He's able to Sing the name of Felurian, after all, and in NotW, ch 16, we see that Kvothe also knows the Name of Cinder:

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    The soft voice went as hard as a rod of Ramston steel. “Ferula.”
    Cinder’s quicksilver grace disappeared. He staggered, his body suddenly rigid with pain. 
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    And he also knows the name of the Moon, Ludis, from WMF ch 88:

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    She leaned close and spoke warmly against his ear, “Ludis.” 
    And Jax brought out the black iron box, closing the lid and catching her name inside.
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    In NotW, ch 46, while Kvothe doesn't know the Name of the Stone used to build walls (here he sees "BREAK" instead of a Name), he *does* know what the stone becomes when it's been corrupted by Copper. He hears "BREAK!" the first time when Elodin tries using it on the type of stone in Haven (a Name he doesn't know, like the cement example above) but when Elodin actually breaks the wall, we see something else entirely - a Name Kvothe does know:

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    “But Elodin the Great knew the names of all things, and so all things were his to command.” He faced the grey wall beside the windows. “He said to the stone: ‘BREAK’ and the…” 
    Elodin trailed off, his head tilting to one side curiously. His eyes narrowed. “Sod me, they changed it,” he said quietly to himself. “Huh.” He stepped closer to the wall and lay a hand on it. 
    [...] 
    “Oh,” Elodin said suddenly, laughing. “That was half-clever of them.” He took two steps back from the wall. “CYAERBASALIEN.”
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    Three other points of interest are related to this. Kvothe knows the Name of Stone, as it is when combined with Copper, shown in the above example with Elodin. What else has he studied as often as the Wind that is Stone+Copper? ...the Valaritas door in the Archives. Assuming only Naming is needed to open it, Kvothe has shown he already knows the Names he needs to do so. 


    And, we know from watching Kvothe learn the Name of Wind that Kvothe learns Names by studying them. Why would Kvothe have reason to study the walls in Haven later to learn the Name of Stone+Copper... unless he became a resident of Haven himself? What if the direction Kvothe's life takes in D3 where "things get darker again" is his time in Haven? 


    Lastly, we know from TSRoST that Auri can read the future (evidenced by her knowing Kvothe would come a day early from the way the gear broke, and proven by the music we hear at the end of the story), and she's prepared a place for Kvothe in the Underthing - knowing he will need it at some point in the future. The Black Door that she's so afraid of? Probably leads to Haven. Haven, where she wouldn't go for herself, but would for Kvothe.


    So, in summarization (TL;DR), Kvothe (as Kote, the storyteller) does not know the Names of Fire or Iron, but does know the Names of Wind, Air, Stone+Copper, (Roah?) Wood, Cinder, the Moon, and Selitos. 

    • Aerlevsedi = Wind
    • Aeruh = Air
    • Silanxi = Stone (the natural element)
    • Cyaerbasalien = Stone+Copper
    • Edro = Hardwood (Roah, probably also similar composition hardwoods)
    • Selitos
    • Cinder
    • Ferulian
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    • This is a well-written theory! I have some remarks.

      • Aerlevsedi, Ferula, Cyaerbasalien were all used in situations in front of Kvothe. Somehow he is able to hear these names in their true form, whereas he couldn't with other names (iron and fire) that were also spoken and used in front of him.
      • Edro, Ludis, Aeruh, Silanxi were all used in a story that is told to Kvothe. He wasn't present (or even alive) when it actually happened. I wonder how he knows those names? Did the storytellers (Marten, Hespe and Skarpi) actually say those true names aloud in their storytelling? Or were they just saying plain words, like IRON and FIRE, when the storytellers said them? For example, was Hespe saying: "She leaned close and spoke warmly against his ear, “MOON” " and Kvothe's mind filled it in with the true name?
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    • Sorry for the delayed reply - the "reply" and "preview" buttons are grayed out on my phone. :/

      Don't forget that all of the instances in which the true Names are used are either heard and translated by Kote directly, (like in the Taborlin story that is told in the Waystone Inn) or entirely relayed by Kote to Chronicler. Only the frame story is in present tense. Kote knows these Names, so when he's telling the story of young Kvothe to Chronicler, he uses the Names. I think the storytellers used the closest names possible, (Hespe probably said whatever "Moon" was in another language she knew, for example) and since Kvothe learns them some time in Day 3, Kote knows the true Name to use when telling his history to Chronicler years later.

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    • I bet that kvothe will be learning and using alsorts of names, but how many of them, can he and will he make a naming ring for? Each and every naming ring, increases his standing amongst the arcanum it self. I bet in his chest there is a collection of these rings.

      I think that kvothe at minimum will learn the names elodin mentioned in his class, fire, water, stone, wind, tree, iron, etc, as well as the six names associated with the angels.

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    • One thought: in those months when Kvote was lost in grief and madness after his family was slaughtered, he learned to play the songs of wind and rain, among others. I consider that this was when his "sleeping mind," so active in those days, learned some of the Names he would later use.

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    • Elodin mentioned in the naming class the more common names, fire, water, stone, wind, wood and iron. So if they are the most common, then they would be easiest to teach to kvothe at the university. Substances would be easier to discren, rather than living/sentient beings.

      From the story about angels, i bet 6 names are important to them due to their wings/nature: shadow, fire, blood, glass, iron and stone. Since we have heard him killing one, it makes sense if he was able to use one of these names against them. So that adds 4 more names.

      The song mentioned blood, so backs up my other post. The song also mentiones bone and amber. There has been mentions of amber in the story, so could have useful magical prperties. Bone could be used as a weapon or healling. Also, for shaping bieces of bones into something useful. So 2 more names.

      So 12 substances names.

      We know that kvothe have their true names of the seven in part, so he could learn to use them against the enemies

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    • Doesn't this leave out the segment in the beginning of the book, where it describes the rings that Kvothe wore? If I remember correctly, the ring of fire was present, and one could only get a ring by knowing the Name of the thing the ring is made of.


      further, is it possible that concepts could have Names, too? It would make sense, as Edro could then mean Open, not just Wood

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    • Just because Kvothe has heared the names does not mean that he has mastered them/knows them. 

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    • Kvothe will learn two types of names, elemental names like elodin teaches and the names of specific individuals.

      There are 12 potential elemental names, 6 that elodin mentions in his class:wind, fire, water, stone, wood, iron. The other 6 are from being linked to the supernatural in the story:blood, shadow, blood, bone, amber, glass.

      There is a mention of a ring with no name, so that might be copper, or some one yet unknown.

      We know that felurian name was know, and kvothe has recieved hints to the true names of the chaendrin. We know he also looks for the amyr and that he has fought angels, so he might learn their names as well. WOuld kvothe need to learn the names of mortals to deal with them?

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    • Kvothe doesn't need to know the name of everything. I mean, yeah, he's a brilliant hero of the story, but learning the name of Angels, Aymr, and the chaendrian? No. 

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    • The elemental names are likely to be repeated, but learning the names of individuals will only be temporary and in extreme circumstances. So felurian name was just used in that encounter, but wind is used again and again.

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    • For what it's worth, here is my theory.  Auri was a student studying Alchemy at the University. After she became adept enough at it, she understood the nature of things and became a Shaper. My guess is that while shaping, something went horribly wrong and she became somewhat cracked, but is still a Shaper, just a very, very careful one. That is why she is always chiding herself not to want things or to be greedy. I think she feels guilty and is afraid that she will inadvertently hurt something if she shapes anything for herself.

      My reason for this is I think that Kvothe underwent a similar progression. He studied Naming. According to the rings he wore, which were cited in WMF, he had discovered the names of stone, iron, amber, wood, bone, blood, air, ice and flame. We know that he knew wind and the name of Felurian, so he had obviously mastered his craft. I belive he then understood the nature of things himself well enough that he gained the ability to Shape. Somewhere along the way, he decided to Shape himself up a sword and terrible things ensued, which is why he calls the sword Folly. I can't think why else he would have a sword that seems to have been shaped, that was also a foolish endeavor, and has been mentioned as being important in both books twice.

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    • If Alchemy has a name, then potentially all of the 8 types of magic could have a name. THe name of naming would be exceptionally dangerous, and would be how the nameless was created, or how copper was immune o the power. The name of sympathy could augement, change or create bindings, while the name of sygaldry could do the same for runes. I wonder if hte names of glammorie or grammories was used to introduce weaknesses to the faen. I wonder what awareness comes with a name of magic, with the name of sygaldry, could you create any potential known or unknown, original or widely known items. WOuld you even need to know the schaema to create ti, or know of the device in question.

      It is possible some of the styles of magic were shaped into being, with naming being the first/original style of magic.

      I doubt kvothe would know the name of alchemy, and i bet the name of naming is restricted, but others could be useful.

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    • Concering the names from stories:

      This theory, which is very well cited and well-thought-out sort of hinges on the idea that Kvothe is replacing words he heard with the words that are the "real names" of the things.  Sometimes he inserts them in the story when he was originally unable to hear them.  Other times he inserts them when the storyteller implied the use of the real name.  However, most of these stories told must be incorrect in many ways (At least some of them have to, since they contradict each other).  Yet he leaves them be.  Because that would be a manner of telling the truth.  That is what they said.  If he changes their story, he is no longer "telling the true story of Kvothe" since he's lying about what he heard from someone else.  If the whole point of being able to identify which names he knows through the method of him saying them like this, inserting them into the story to benefit "the truth" it seems kind of flawed to sometimes do it to approach the truth of the story and sometimes the truth of the intent of the stories within the stories is kind of divisive.  

      Then again, he is human, and devisive, and just having a whole mess of fun with it.  Taking that road, however, how can we trust any of what he says, any of this?  The only word he's uttered by himself and therefore definitely not performing for anyone is Edro.  That's the only "name" we can be sure of.  

      Following that, though, I challenge the idea that we're definitely being given all the information we think we have.  The way that Elodin describes naming is what "cannot be explained" (WMF 252).  Names, rather than names, are not the calling cards or Hiakawa sign posts; they are proofs of understanding.  

      Are they even words as we know them?  Perhaps the declarations of these knowledges supercede languages and, like everyone else, the best even the inventor of such a thing, Mr Rothfuss, can do is write syllables that point the way to the thing, but it is not the thing.  People have "names" that let you identify, locate, and converse with them, but your control over or ability to influence a person comes from what intensity of understanding you have of them.  People can be spoken to to do this on a surface level, but control of the wind would require such an intense understanding only "the sleeping mind" can really do it, which has no language, only innate knowledge and access to vocal cords.  The "Name" of the wind is a product of that combination which is intepreted by the author as "Aerlevsedi" which is not the name of the wind, just a more accurate sign post than "wind."  

      This sort of Hiakawan magic is implied throughout many other important works in fantasy such as Harry Potter and is openly discussed in Paolini's Inheritance, although Rothfuss could definitely do so more fluidly.

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    • CROSS-SECTIONING FINDINGS OF THE THEORY WITH AARON'S KVOTHE-APPROVED POEM

      This is Aaron's poem, a seventh-hand poem-story of a young farmhand, but one that Kvothe finishes word for word.  While this proves nothing, since it's not even a part of his official story, he still knows the thing because 1.  It's got his famous "grain of salt" or 2. It's hilarious.  Either way:

      "On his first hands he wore rings of stone,

      Iron, amber, wood, and bone.

      There were rings unseen on his second hand.

      One was blood in a flowing band.

      One of air all whisper thin,

      And the ring of ice had a flaw within.

      Full faintly shone the ring of flame,

      And the final ring was without name."  (WMF 23)

      We know that naming is traditionally signified by a ring of the material worn on one's left hand, "first hand" and best hand in Kvothe's case.  By this, it would not be a stretch to speculate Kvothe knows, at least according to the poem, at least the names of stone, iron, amber, wood and bone

      However

      The bone ring could be the ring Stapes, Alveron's man, gave him, which is prized and signifies debt.  The wood, which is unspecified, could be a number of things.  It could be the aforementioned roah wood.  It could be the wood ring Meluan gave Kvothe, signifiying his worthlessness, which, by the end of the second book, he is tempted to wear in defiance and pride of his heritage.  

      The second hand means "something else entirely."  What is it?  A more intense naming?  Shaping?  Faen allegiances?  Perhaps The Wind knows your name?  Who knows?  Regardless, they are:

      Blood

      Air (Basically wind)

      Ice (Which is flawed)

      Flame (Which is "faint")

      And the nameless ring.

      So he knows the name of the wind, or the super-name of the wind, or made love to the wind, or whatever this hand signifies.  

      The ice and flame rings are weak and broken.  An imperfect knowledge?  A falling out with whatever's in charge of what goes on a namer's right hand?

      Blood could signify knowledge of people, perhaps the true Names of people.  Or perhaps it's just blood, and you don't get rings for people.  It would be a bit bizarre to walk around with a piece of Ferulean on your hand, whatever that might even mean. 

      "Without Name" is, at this present moment, a lost cause, or a fountain of opportunity, if you believe in multiple interpretability, which I do.  

      So there is some cross over.  And the flame ring  is not on the naming hand.  The poem being correct would mean that Kvothe knows the name of iron, however, or, you know, just happens to own a ring made of iron.  

      In the end, it's not over, so.  

      - J Promise

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    • I wonder if there is a limit to naming rings you can acquire or make. While. Naming is lessened,black in its golden age, it seems like 10 is so limited.

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    • Copper does not have name. I believe that the 'nameless ring' is made out of copper. 

      This explains why the room in Haven is made out of copper (window pane, the window, the walls). It is made so that a namer cannot get out. 

      It explains why the four plate door has copper and why Kvothe's chest is locked with copper (iron protects against Fae, copper against namers)

      Also, this is sort of vague memory but I remember Pat got a gift of a knife made purely out of copper and he mentioned how it would be helpful against a namer. 

      -AA

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    • The thrice locked chest seems similar to the lockless box, and that was opened with a name. If iron is for faen, copper for naming, what is the third one aimed at? The iron lock was opened with a copper key, and hte copper lock was opened with an iron key. The wood the chest is made from is said to be very heavy in metals, likely copper and iron.

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    • The one hole I'll point out in the poem about Kvothe's rings. 

      "On his first hand he wore rings of stone,

      Iron, amber, wood and bone.
      There were rings unseen on his second hand.
      One was blood in a flowing band.
      One of air all whisper thin,
      And the ring of ice had a flaw within.
      Full faintly shone the ring of flame,
      and the final ring was without name."

      Since wearing a ring implies mastery of a name it can be infered that he knows the names of Stone, Iron, Amber, Wood, Bone, Blood, Air and or Wind (most likely wind), Ice, Fire and something which non-namers can't even plug a familair word in to name, Possibly Death or Life or the name of souls, (as at least one of those would be required to kill Haliax)  

      It is also possible some if not all of the rings are not naming rings, but have other meanings, for example the ring of bone could be the ring from Meluan

      Typically the first hand, would be the right as this is the main hand for most people, this is also the hand on which mastery rings are worn, so I would assume if nothing else Kvothe knows the names of Iron, Amber, Wood, and Bone.

      It is also likely the Kvothe knows the name of Iron because when Chronicler binds Bast Kvothe tells him to undo the Binding or he will break it himself thus implying he knows the name of Iron and has enough mastery of the name of Iron to not only command it, but to overide the control of another namer. this further lends support to the Poem being about Kvothe's rings of mastery.

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    • The thing i dont get is Amber. I can understand the others, even the mysterious one for somekind of unknown magical reason. The thing is why was amber so important he learned the name of it. I would have thought of lightning to be more impportant. I can imagine what he could d with the elemental nAmes, the things he could create, the fights he could win. I can even imagine him healing people with some of the names. But amber just does not seem to fit.

      The thing is in the series, there have been mentions of amber, often a magical ring in nature. one reference says it gave power over demons. So we will see a REASON FOR WHY HE LEARNED THE NAME.

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    • Does there have to be a reason for why he learned it? All he has to do is understand its nature and he automatically knows the name, no?

      The way I understood it, he knows the names of the things mentioned in the poem: Iron, Amber, Wood, Bone, Blood, Wind, Water, Fire and who knows.

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    • Kvothe learned the name of the wind due to then stories he had heard and seeing Ben himself use it. Stone, water, fire, iron and wood were mentioned in Elodin class. So they might be the names he will most likely attempt after wind. The thing is there are many references to Taborlin, and how he wielded fire and lightning, why has kvoth not attempted to learn the name of lightning as well. It seems like the next name on him list after the ones mentioned in the class.

      It could be attempted Amber as it would give him a permanent ring to wear and display at the university. It is one thing to be a namer, another to be known as one. Those in the arcanum would be aware of what it means. Until he can display a guilder or for after, it would be a way to show off his power and skill, so boost his reputation.

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    • That was such a theory! I'm impressed. But I have some doubts (they might already be answered in other comments, but I'm way too lazy. I'm sorry). •You say Kvothe doesn't know the Name of Iron because we don't read the name in italics, but "Iron". BUT when this happens, we're in "real time", so the narrator isn't Kvothe but an extern narrator, so Kvothe maybe do know the Name. Or maybe not. •How on Earth would Kvothe be able to know the Name of Selitos? I mean, Selitos is like hundreds of years before Kvothe. You say he have to study the thing itself in order to know its Name. How can Kvothe study someone who is dead since hundreds of years ago?

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    • Book 1, Chapter 1:  ... "Looking up he saw a thousand stars glittering in the deep velvet of a night with no moon. He knew them all, their stories and their names. He knew them in a familiar way, the way he knew his own hands. Looking down, Kote sighed without knowing and went back inside. He locked the door and shuttered the wide windows of the inn, as if to distance himself from the stars and all their varied names."

      ... I'm just going to set this here.

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    • While we are mentioning copper as the substance "without name"...

      Taborlin the Great's sword is made of copper.

      Just throwing that out there.

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    • copper might be nameless, but the sword did have its own name according to the lore.

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    • Edro means face, side.

      Kvothe is really close to quote.

      The Chronicler said that could transcribe any word, even inexistant ones, or unpronunciable for him.

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    • I'll throw in my theories on the subject so far:

      To understand something you need to have experienced it in its full extent. He must know wind, fire, cold (ice), iron, ... I also think that your sleeping mind must be awake. Situations of shock, adrenaline and mental wakefulness (spinning leaf) should be present.

      He must know fire because he's been trapped in fires (Fishery, Trebon), also he's a sympathist and he knows fire very well (candles, wicks, human heat...). Also, he has heard it from Elxa Dal, although not consciously.

      He knows cold because he's experienced it in his own flesh: binder's chills, almost freezing to death in Tarbean, Cinder. I believe the ice ring (flawed) refers to cinder, as everything around him is compared to ice and cold. Also the sword called Folly is a reminder of the approaching winter, cold, and such (The sword could be called Folly, because it is folly to take a piece of a faerie creature). He has heard Cinder's name and he might have easily fought him (and killed him?) in Imre, in front of the Eolian. Perhaps using his name (Ferule, said by Haliax when Kvothe is in shock and afraid), but also using the name of stone, which he's heard from Elodin and Fela.

      He knows wind, that so far we know. He heard it from Abenthy when he bound his breath to the air outside and almost died. (Adrenaline rush)

      The wooden ring could be about the name of wood, although he hasn't heard it. It also couldbe either Meluan's ring or the one Auri gifts him, the one that holds secrets.

      The bone ring must be the one Stapes gave him.

      Amber is referred to as good agains demons, and it is also a frequent resource in storytelling. I'm not certain about it.

      There are two final issues to tend to: The nameless ring and Edro.

      We should remember that when Kvothe says the name of the wind and breaks Ambrose's arm, Elodin speaks a word to him that calms his sleeping mind. (The name of silence?) Silence would have no name, as it has no sound, and Kvothe know silence very well. It also could be copper, but if Iax is locked behind VALARITAS, which is made of ston and copper, we could easily infer that copper is impossible to be named.

      About Edro: I think it's a literary device. A magical word for opening doors and locks. I also found what it refers to. Gandalf uses Edro as a last resort to open the door of Moria before Frodo suggests Mellon. Yes, Kvothe does know locks very well, but that means nothing, in my opinion.

      One final thought on the Lackless box. I think it contains the little metal box the tinker gave Iax, which holds the name of the Moon. The box is made of the wood of the tree on which the Cthaeh lives and smells slightly of lemon, which is a smell we find around the Lackless box, but also around the thrice-locked chest.

      He know iron because he's worked in the fishery, but also because he's been wounded with it. He also know its effects on the Faen.


      I have more theories, but I think that's it for now.

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    • Elodin only mentioned 6 specific names in his class, yet there is a whole world of possibilities beyond fire, water, stone, wind, iron and wood. What if they are simplest to teach there or the only ones he knows how to teach.

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    • When ever Tamborlin is mentions, it is said he called down fire and lightning. The thing is there has never been any mention of lightning as a name. If lightning is so iconic, why would Kvothe learn just one and not the other.

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    • Has anyone looked for these words etymology?

      I mean, we know that Aeruh is the Name of Air... and Aer is the root for Air in Latin.

      Then "Aerlevsedi", separated like Aer+Lev+Sedi would be something like "Air + To Rise + Full of discord, factious, mutinous". I can dig it to be "Wind"

      On the other hand, looking for Cyaerbasalien, "Cya" comes from Cyan, which can be assotiated to cyanide, or blue, OR Blue Copper. "er" means "related to/connected whit". "Basal" can be atributed to "Basalt", which stands for "very hard stone"

      Selitos = "Seli", Heavenly; and "tos", a suffix denoting origin. "Seli" or "Sel"-related words have also been associated with the moon

      It could be just a coincidence but hey... maybe not.

      I used this website => http://www.etymonline.com/index.php to look for the words etymology.

      I might be trying to fit in the meanings but, search for yourselves if you happen to draw the same conclusions!

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    • I bet "edro" just means "open". It does in The Name of the Rings, and since we know PR has read the books (see dedication in Name of the Wind) it might have gotten into the book from there. It's also a rather short word for a true name, which tend to be longer and much more complicated. Also anything in a foreign language is always in italics, not only names. So from a word being written in italics you can only gather that it's in a foreign language, but not necessarily a true name.

      Also, I like the connection to Latin. Ludis, the name of the moon from Hespe's story, is close to luna, the latin word for moon. I would expect the true name of the moon to be somewhat more complicated.

      Kvothe doesn't know the true name of Cinder. When Haliax pronounced the word "Ferula", he was speaking the name of iron (Latin: ferrum) and thereby hurting Cinder, like we have seen Chronicler do to Bast, who behaves exactly as Cinder did as a consequence. So my guess is that Latin might be a very good help with finding out names.

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    • Cyaerbasalien means stone wall.  Cyaer was an old English word for castle or wall.  Basal is a type of stone.  So Elodin commands the stone wall to turn to dust, but can't command the copper.


      Also, there's other evidence of Kvothe knowing the name of Flame.  When he's in Trebon, he uses sympathy against the entire fire in Trebon, not just the isolated fire he took the shingle from.  That sounds a lot more like sympathy mixed with naming than simple sympathy which should only affect one specific fire.  It's probably the first name he learns after wind.

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    • I disagree outright with your theory. I don't think the italics is for anything other than dramatic emphasis.

      Chronicler intoning the Name of iron really doesn't tell the audience much because it's a third-person perspective, not Kvothe's perspective. And it really doesn't matter anyway. The point is that Chronicler literally could be saying "Iron" out loud. Because what he's actually saying never mattered to begin with. What he's saying is never the important part, it's just that some part of his unconscious mind has the power to command iron. 

      Kvothe says suggestive things unintentionally without knowing that he's doing any "magic."

      It happens when he names Auri, but can't seem to quite remember what language her name is from. But this still impresses Elodin enough to change his mind about teaching him Naming.

      He accidentally names the dyed horse, "One Sock" instead of "First Night" like he intended, which spooks the horse trader into giving him a better deal.

      He also says seven words to Denna that always invariable makes her fall in love with him a little more every time. And she even comments on his tendency to do this.

      None of these are what people would categorize as "magic" or "big names" but Naming is never about saying magic words, but having an unconscious knowledge of things you're not supposed to.

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    • Likewise, you have to remember that Kvothe music to be a profound act of communication. So he actually *sings* Ferulian's name. It's not actually important what notes he sung or what syllables he uses for speaking when Naming stuff. What's important is that the speaker considers the things he's communicating to be significant somehow. But the noises they make are the symptom of their understanding, not the cause of it.

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    • 88.3.241.192 wrote:

      He has heard Cinder's name and he might have easily fought him (and killed him?) in Imre, in front of the Eolian. Perhaps using his name (Ferule, said by Haliax when Kvothe is in shock and afraid)

      Could it be that he understands Cinder's name because all the events are awakening his sleeping mind and therefor can understand the names

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    • The name of the wind is ever changing so that explains why wind and air are different but similar. Both probably were the names of the wind at some point. The wind is the air moving after all, so the name of the wind while still is air.

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    • Speaking of names, I only just noticed when reading the set of theories above that Scyphus, the figure who imprisoned Taborlin, must be the Chandrian "Cyphus."

      One thing I can't recall seeing discussed on this site, Reddit, or Tor.com, is the idea that Ben is Taborlin. Abenthy is unkown to any of the masters at the University, which strikes me as more than a little odd. It stands to reason that he could be Taborlin, especially given how he talks about the Chandrian to Arliden and Laurian (perhaps from the vantage of having a history of dealings with them such as in the story about Taborlin's escape.

      I also think the unaddressed citation above concerning Kvothe's understanding of the names of all the stars is a strangely avoided topic in the discussion boards. It makes it sound as though he has a level of naming understanding that would be tough to achieve in a mortal lifetime. If he were to do the sort of thing where he spends years in the Faen realm with only minimal time passing in the Four Corners I could see this. Except from what I understand the Moon is the only thing shared by these two disparate skies. Presumably he has spent many years in the faen realm and this is the reason he is so much older than his mid twenties appearance, but still this bit on the stars makes me very curious.

      It is as if he is all at once a budding namer, shaper, Amyr, angel, and even Chandrian.

      Hopefully we will get to see the relevance of that stars bit, and more time riding in the wagon with Ben in the next installment.

      Having reread the books for a third time just recently, I was actually pondering Kvothe's instinctual naming in conjunction with the apparent sentient activities of the wind protecting him. For example, it is curious that just as he is honing in on Cinder's real name while rhyming off possible names for Denna's patron the wind chucks a leaf into his mouth to shut him up and stop him from signalling this particular Chandrian.

      Thanks for this set of theories and discussion! It is good to see a recent discussion forum since Jo's reread of SIlent Regard on Tor.com got halted years back.

      One more thing I haven't seen much discussion of, though it has been mentioned, is the candle Aurri makes for Kvothe and her other gifts. It reminds me of how I felt about characters in A Song of Ice and Fire getting seperated from their direwolves. You know it is a bad sign. You know they are there for a reason. Same goes for the candle that I take it from her novella will perhaps draw some of the unbound principles back out of him. Hopefully this will become involved within the frame story in something post conclusion of the backstory.

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    • Has anybody else stumbled across the leaked date for the final book yet? Set for August 2020 but not entirely sure if this is true or not....! (Wouldn't it be wonderful if it was!)

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    • That date isn't correct, it was just randomly set as a placeholder by some of the publishers and booksellers. Rothfuss doesn't have a real timeline as of yet *shrug*

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    • Can they do that if the author hasn't author-ised it? (I couldn't help myself)

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    • They already have. Goodreads and other book reviewers did it as well, and honestly I don't think Pat cares either way. He's basically said it's done when you've started reading it, and he's going to keep polishing his gem until it's ready. He's got so much other stuff going on it's surprising he has time to even address the issue, lol.

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