We know El'ir means seer, Re'lar means speaker. We aren't aware of what El'the means yet. My theory is that it means hearer (like the verb to hear). Seeing is very surface level, it doesn't give a hint on names, speaking allows you to speak names. Could the etamology of El'the be those who were much like the original Knowers where they knew the names of all things as the world spoke to them and told them their true names, much like Kvothe's encounter with Feureluin? Hearing would be the next step after speaking as Hearing is the route of naming. When a person speaks the true name of an item the brain processes it as its name, for example 'Iron', by a person being El'the this could mean they were able to hear and understand it's true name
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I've read the books twice now and listened to the audio books once. I am relatively new to the whole theory thing with regards to what is expected from the next book, but it seems to me (unless I have missed it) that there is a glaring whole in some of the theories regarding the goals of the Chandrian and the Amyr that from the start, for me, was something that I thought was glaringly obvious.
The whole point of what the Chandrian are doing is to undo the curse, or binding, that Selitos placed upon Lanre. I suspect they either A: want to die, or B: just want free of the binding so they can destroy everything outright. But they can't die or get free of it because the binding Selitos lays on them will not fade until everything is dust and the stars fall or wink out (can't remember the exact quote off the top of my head but it is from Skarpi's story when Kvothe is in Tarbean). So how do they break the curse before this? They erase themselves from history; if no one can remember them, their names, or who they are, the binding loses its power. Hence why they kill Kvothe's parents and attack the Mauthen Farm because of the relic they found accurately depicting the Chandrian. I would even go so far as to say this is why Master Ash (likely one of the Chandrian) are literally having Denna create a song that tells a false history about Lanre (the one that upsets Kvothe so much once he hears her play part of it for him).
The Amyr are trying to prevent this, but have to do it from hiding because the Chandrian have corrupted the Tehlin church. The whole reason Skarpi (who is likely an Amyr) is arrested for heresy is because he is telling the true version of the history of the Chandrian. The Chandrian created a false history that is being taught in the Tehlin church to effectively erase themselves from history (the history of Tehlu and Incanus is fake I suspect). Remember the priest Kvothe see's on the streets with a face hidden in shadow that reminds him of Haliax (this happens right before Skarpi is arrested for heresy)? I suspect it was Haliax, or at least one of the other Chandrian looking into stopping Skarpi from telling the stories he is telling.
Let me know what you all think or if this has been mentioned before.
One other thing i've noted but haven't seen anyone mention (again still new to this so may have missed it): No one seems to mention that at the very beginning of the story Kvothe mentions his name from the Adem meaning "the broken tree" and he literally calls this prophetic. Anyone else think this means he releases the Cthaeh? I have a sinking suspicion that the tree the Cthaeh lives in is the only means that the beast behind the doors of stone can communicate from beyond them, or that the tree is the Fae version of the door (which ties in the whole Iax/Jax theory being the beast locked behind the doors of stone).
Any thoughts would be appreciated, sorry if these theories have appeared elsewhere, still new to this. Thanks.
Maybe the Amyr never die and are always just in hiding as the word Amyr
Sounds very similar to the hindi word अमर (Amar) which means one who cant die
Is there a detailed list of Temerant?
The new map shows rivers and names of areas. I can't make out the spelling of each place. Other than on the map, are the names written down?
I messed something up with source editing and was asking for advice on how to correct it but I was able to solve it. Thanks!
Actually nothing. I just solved it.
I edited one part of the doors of stone and messed it up, but I solved it.
Not sure where the best place to share this is, but here is my artist friends version of Felurian. This oil painting has glow pigment on it as well, so all the photos you see are of the same painting, just at different stages. The first is normal, the second is with the glow activated with normal light as well, and the last is glow in darkness. Enjoy!
If you have seen the Disney movie Hercules then you'll understand this reference. I think Denna is to Halifax as Meg is to Hades.
There is a whole big world out there and some how she places herself to be found by Kvothe at the right times. I think (as do most people at this point) Master Ash is Halifax and he uses Denna to work Kvothe. Plus when she is probing Wilem, Simmon and Kvothe for insight on magic, I think she is trying to describe her contract to Halifax without actually describing it. I think she traded her soul for possibly her talent with music. I think she has learned things from Halifax, like how to tie Yillish story knots or catch the attention of men.
When practicing sympathy they had to perform tasks that included some one opposing them, even multiple people against a single person, with their Alar and doing things from remote locations. Therefore it’s possible that Kvothe has people constantly fighting/opposing his Alar, and therefore unable to currently use it. Maybe hired by Ambrose or something. Any thoughts?
So, this might make absolutely no sense, or someone might've already come up with this, but I have a theory about Taborlin the Great's true identity. What if Kvothe is Taborlin? Think about it. Even though art always depicts him as blonde, we have no idea what Taborlin actually looks like, only some of what he wears. His cloak of no particular color, which Kvothe says he imagines as either being a patchwork quilt, very similar to what he himself slept under living on the streets of Tarbean, or as being dark, so dark that even though it has a color, you can't tell what it is, like Kvothe's very own shaed. Also, almost all of what Kvothe does lines up very well with Taborlin. He has spoken the name of the wind, he has used Sympathy to call down fire and lightning, really most of what he did, he did remembering a Taborlin story. Also, Auri has given Kvothe a key, a coin, and a candle, Felurian gave him a Shaed, and he created himself a Gram, probably the amulet, leaving only the sword and staff. So, here's my idea: Kvothe did all of his amazing Kvothe things, then time traveled (far fetched, I know, but hear me out) back in time, with his key, coin, and candle from Auri, his Gram he made himself, his Shaed from Felurian, and his sword and staff later on, but while he's there being Taborlin, he uncovers that Master Ash is Cinder (I'm sure you know that theory by now), thus breaking his promise to Denna, and losing his name, along with all his power. This is also why Felurian has never heard of Taborlin. She knew him as Kvothe, and when he lost his power, he also lost the ability to return to her, so he'd never get to meet her as Taborlin. Does this make any sense?
Hey! I got a signed poster "Luring the Draccus" a couple years ago. I love it but I'm moving and for a variety of reasons it has been decided it will not be going up in the new apartment :(
I'm In DC for the next week and then I'll be in Boston. It's free for anyone who can pick it up!
There is a rumor that Kvothe hears early on at the university about Ambrose and the many women he has driven away with his "charms". One in particular was a girl named Tabetha who disappeared mysteriously. I think this might be the girl that Kvothe named Auri.
I've listened to the audiobooks once through, but I am still very new to the series, so let me know if you have any evidence to present, either for or against this theory.
Bast at one point mentions 'The White Sisters'. Could the white sisters be Felurian and Pale Alentha (one of the seven). They are both described as pale skinned women. Neither of them are of the mortal realm. They are both, quite scandalously, in the habit of going about their day-to-day lives in an advanced state of undress.
First of all if this was posted anywhere else I apologize.
So given all of the theories known and what seems to be a general consensus that is most likely accepted as canon.
I believe the lockless box Kvothe has in his room in the waystone inn, is the same one mentioned in the Wise Man's Fear owned by his bitchy aunt. Somehow he opens it with help from the Key given to him from Auri.
Not sure what's in it but this helps him open the Doors of Stone, Jax and the moon locked away. Onced freed the Faen realm and the mortal realm begin to merge back together. This is why the Scrael shows up from what's supposed to from another realm. Pat also said we need to get used to the idea that Kvothe doesn't win. So I believe when he opens the doors of stone he is unable to fix that and the mortal realm is in chaos. This brings about the calamity of talking to the Cthaeh.
I just finished re-reading Wise Man's Fear and in the meeting with Denna at the river it seems like Denna knows what Kvothe is thinking. Kvothe is thinking about how to convince Denna to leave Master Ash. Before he can say anything, Denna cuts him off and starts talking about how Kvothe was whipped by the University. It seems like she has gained the ability to know what Kvothe is thinking.
One thing that has never been explained is why Denna, in the middle of the book, asks Kvothe, Sim and Wil about magic and later she and Master Ash go to Yll, she learns knot-language. In my theory, she has gained a kind of magic.
In fae realm time doesnt work like in the world and when kvothe meats cthaeh he should be killed but he didnt and the who should kill kvothe when he talks cthaeh went to hunt down chandrians and i think because the time abnormalitie kvothe got lucky and didnt get killed in both time
I was wondering if the MOS could be changed. I agree that there shouldn't be a ton of detail in the summary part (currently called "In the Chronicle" on character pages), but would it be possible to change this to be "Synopsis of ____ in the Chronicle" and add a "Detailed Recounting of Role in the Chronicle" or something beneath it with more specifics. I am currently writing a screenplay for a single camera show based on the trilogy for fun and it's a pain in the a** to try to find the right place in the books whenever I need to look something up.
We know that faen are basically immortal and don't change appearance. Bast may appear young, but can be very old. Perhaps he appeared to Kvothe's mother long ago and things happened. And she became pregnant. A traveling troupe of Edema Ruh came along and a young, handsome fellow named Arliden flirted with her a bit and she told him her secret. That she's pregnant and her family was going to kill her or put her in a convent or something. He agreed to raise the baby as his own.
Why don't Arliden and Laurian have other kids when they're obviously sexually active? Perhaps Arliden is sterile.
I just re-read the scene in Wise Man's Fear where Kvothe overhears Denna's conversation with a scared girl about the realities of life as a whore. I get the feeling that Kvothe came to the conclusion that Denna was having sex with all her boys and that made him feel betrayed so he felt okay about having sex with others instead of being true to Denna. But this is part of his tragedy. Maybe Denna was saving herself for Kvothe. It seems like in her conversation with the girl, Denna mentions that there is the option of "burning bridges" by disappearing before things go too far. But Kvothe maybe interprets the conversation as she's having sex with her boyfriends.
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean she is a virgin. But maybe she is, or she is voluntarily celibate (but has been abused or sexually active in the past). Thoughts?